A master of Kinesiology, Michelle Robinson was our fifth guest for our IGTV Live Chat last year. She was once a yoga teacher who started her kinesiology journey out of curiosity when she experience having felt that huge amount of anxiety at the start of her yoga career. The practice of Kinesiology does not belong to those mainstream health and wellness program that people usually get into. But, once you hear the wonders of it, would make you curious as well as to how it benefits the human body.

Learn more about Kinesiology and Michelle’s journey by reading more below or just by simply watching the full video on our Youtube channel.

James: Hello, we are here with another Giving Greens Live. Talking to Michelle today about Kinesiology. Wait for her to come online. In a minute. Hello. Just waiting for Michelle, there she is. 

Michelle: Hello! How is it going? 

James: Hi Michelle! How is it going? 

Michelle: Good. How are you? 

James: Yeah. Not too bad. How’s your day been? 

Michelle: Good good good. Thanks for having me on. 

James: Well, of course. Thanks for making the time. 

Michelle: Pleasure. Yeah, and it’s been a good day. It’s been a good day. A lot of Kinesiology  in this room right here. 

James: Yeah, of course. Well, let’s start with the most obvious question of all. What is Kinesiology and how does it work?

Michelle: It’s a… straight off the bat! Kinesiology. It’s a tricky one. No, it’s not. I mean it’s complicated and profound. So Kinesiology, the actual meaning of it is the study of movement within the body. We study how it all works and how it responds and talks to each other. And the way that we do that is through a technique, the way that kinesiologists use or do that is through a technique called muscle monitoring. We can use any muscle in the body. And workout and feel the tonality change. The integrity of the muscle will change when the brain is registering particular information or particular stress. So we pick up on that data we call it and and work out the symptoms of why they’re there. 

James: Sounds like it’s like a super subtle.. You pick up on super subtle changes. 

Michelle: Yeah, super subtle changes at super instantaneous because the brain is always ranked in the subconscious brain is always picking up like millions of data messages as you understand a second. So it’s working out what’s relevant, what’s not, but when we’re working with a client who’s coming in with specific stress, or in a stress at state, we can work out from the way the body is reacting so instantaneously. What’s triggering that? So it’s subtle movements, but when the brain is picking up, whether it’s something verbal, whether it’s something that I look at, whether something that the client looks at, whether it’s something that the… like it could be found in any book and it’s all found on there, and the brain registers it super quick and then we use that as data. 

James: Yeah right, how do you? How do you learn to pick up on these, like really subtle signals? It is like over and over, practise and practise?

Michelle: Yeah. Practice. And everybody’s body is different so and everyone’s muscle integrity is different so it could be super obvious or it could be just super like subtle and you know the guys with you know bigger muscles, they’re more constricted. But there are some, you know, less type of muscle so we are just gonna work with it. 

James: Yeah, right. What are some of the things that Kinesiology can help people with?

Michelle: Everything. Absolutely everything, yeah. 

James: What’s an example of a big breakthrough? 

Michelle: Pardon? 

James: What’s an example of a big breakthrough you’ve helped with the customers?

Michelle: I really, really love it when clients come in and they’re just at their absolute max. And they’re just like, “I don’t know what I can do, where I go from here like I am exhausted and stressed out and I’m short with my kids. I’m, you know, work. It’s like overwhelming.” And they’re just at that point up there at their breaking point and they just “I just don’t know. What is going on or where to even start.” It seems to me now so obviously is to ask the body of why it’s responding and reacting in that stressed out state. The biggest of what I’d never get over is the way that people, like they just walk out, they just feel so much more lighter. They just got so much more lighter in terms of just like letting all that go. And so it’s like their anxiousness they just like “Fire out! I can’t believe how much I was in that stressed out state” and how much difference it makes when they when they have it and they know just walk out feeling lighter and with a sense of clarity too. They’re just like, “Can’t believe all of that was playing a part to how it’s feeling”. Like it didn’t seems like much and it doesn’t need to be anything too groundbreaking as such, but if it’s accumulating overtime over decade and it’s just underneath the surface and addressed, that’s the body is trying to get it up and out, so it’s finding little ways subtly before it’s, you know, like getting really loud and and then, that’s when the people when they respond when it’s like breaking point. 

James: When you’re working with your client and you’re doing this testing, so you pick up on something you notice something suddenly… How do you move that from, like, where it is? Into that consciousness? Into like awareness?

Michelle: Yeah yeah, yeah. So what happens is we find in the client’s subconscious body. So the subconscious, it’s always happening instantaneously about, obviously our conscious mind having an idea. So it’s almost like the puppeteer to the puppet. And so when we find out the symptoms that’s going on within the subconscious body and bring it to awareness,  like I said,”This is a piece of information that’s come up. What does that mean for you?” And the client…if they are in a super stressed out state they may not even know. And so the best thing about it is that we bypass the conscious mind and the constraints that they have formulated or the coping mechanisms that they have formulated to do their best to address or do their best to survive in that state. We bypass that and work out what’s alive in the subconscious that’s keeping it active and address it from there. So it’s simply about getting that information up, bringing it to the conscious mind, giving it some awareness to the client, asking the body what it needs to lift it up and out. So it doesn’t have those emotional energetic anchors in, so the body can recalibrate, release it and re-calibrate to it state of homeostasis or the best form of it.

James: Yeah, right. Yeah I’ve had a Kinesiology experience. 

Michelle: You have?

James: I mean prior to having this session, well I’ve had a few sessions, but it was probably the first session that had the greatest impact. So I went in there. Kind of.. Dropped all of the expectations. I was going in, completely free. And sure enough, it wasn’t immediate. It wasn’t like immediately after walking out that it hit, but it was like the next day. 

Michelle: Yeah. 

James: Well maybe in a couple of days later. There’s something that is kind of clicked and I was like, “Whoah!”

Michelle: Exactly! 

James: I think I wanted it again and I think I will have high expectations next time. 

Michelle: Yeah. Well the body will do whatever it feels safe to do. So it’s understandable at the start. It only can go as high or immediate to begin with for you potentially. And the more we get it done, the more reconnected we are to the more that the body feels safe to dive on in and get this like suppressed emotion, though. The suppressed trauma rattle, the suppressed whatever it is out and not feel like it’s gonna be super compromised or unsafe. And then you can, you know, have those incredible like lightbulb moments of that, “Oh shit, is that what that was about? Or I just, you know, feel so much better. Like it just…” Yeah, and then your lesson or reactive state and you have more of a buffer between what you do or what’s presented to you and what and how you choose to act.

James: And you, let’s say you got a client that has had a realisation mapping session or something like how do you guide them, post-session like how do you help them to come to realisation, one that has awareness. Is there more that you can help him with after that or is it like they come up on their own after that?

Michelle: Well, I mean it’s all about getting someone back to an empowered state but they would need to rely on me or anybody else, and that’s, and that’s what we’ve designed to do. But I always like to inform clients that afterwards, like there is, it’s a process of things getting shifted around. We’ve moved and keep left so much stuff out. The sand is still, metaphorically, setting. So when that happens like there’s gotta be stuff that comes out that may need to be felt before they get released. So it’s important to stay tender on you, and it’s important to be open to the process and just allow it to do its thing and then you’ll just feel so much more at ease when that passes, and just more solid in cells that you’re that “Cool, alright? I actually don’t need whatever it was. Those external reliance that I had because I feel super centered and super solid myself.” 

James: Do they need to do a lot of… Let’s say for example, you have a session somebody comes up… Does the client need to kind of go deep and explore that? Or can it just be like “Oh there’s that thing? I’ve got this thing but I feel better now. Like I feel I can move forward now.” – Without necessarily going through like deep dive through their trauma?

Michelle: Yeah, yeah. Again, like if it’s going to be more beneficial like I have, for example, I have people that I know come and see me that I know and have known before I became a kinesiologist and you know like we hang out. So sometimes like I respect everyone obviously everyone’s privacy and what they feel comfortable in sharing. And the beauty of kinesiology is that you don’t need to like to blurt out everything if you, especially, if somebody doesn’t feel safe to do so. If it’s still feeling like, I don’t know, attach shame or guilt or whatever to it and it just like I just don’t want to verbally express that, but I know it’s under there. Same with kids. So when I see kids like that they don’t have the wisdom to be like, “Oh that, this happened or whatever.” They just know that they’re not feeling right in themselves and it’s great because it can be a voice for them. It provides a voice for what they’re feeling, even if it’s, they’re not actually expressed. It gives them an avenue to express without it being expressed, or at least without being expressed. Does that make sense? So to answer your question, you don’t need to lay all of that if it’s not beneficial. The body is saying, like you know, you don’t need to talk about every part of this situation. Just know that that whole situation is up and you thinking about it is reactivating that circuitry energetically, that’s quicker, it’s sufficient. You don’t need to word vomit it, and we can move forward in like getting it up and out. 

James: Yeah, right. I find it super interesting. So, it was a friend, the Kinesiologist. I’m quite open anyway, so I talk about everything. 

Michelle: Yeah, I’m on it too. 

James: It’s sort of like in a therapy session. Just laying down. 

Michelle: Yeah. 

James: And lifting my arms and those sorts of stuff. Talking away. I’m just talking away. I find it fascinating. And definitely felt some sort of benefit from it. But I’m always self-exploring anyway. Like it’s one of my things. I’m always constantly exploring.

Michelle: But there is so much to explore. The body holds so much. It’s nuts. It blows my mind every time and you know, I still get it done absolutely regularly. And yeah, now I’ve gotten to a point. It’s not like there’s no hook line to any of the beautiful junk that comes out of my “Oh, no. What?” “Alright, let’s get rid of that again.” That’s the next plan. At the start of it I was like, “Don’t judge me. That was one time in the past, why are you bringing that up?” But now I’m just like “Get it out. Get it out if it’s having its effect on me. I don’t want to have that on me.”

James: Yeah, it’s amazing how much I think like past memories hold us back so much from… is our own happiness in any moment. Locked up potential happiness and futures. I’m all in to like, dive in, find out what there are or really find a way to move past them so you can open up the tension.

Michelle: Exactly like everything should be. Everything’s supposed to be in a state of neutrality. It’s what we project on it, whether it’s something from the past or what we’re spending the future that makes it something better. So the idea is to balance everything. Stay in the state of balance. Stay in the state of neutrality. And that would be great. 

James: I feel like the same. Most of the time. Neutral. Switzerland. 

Michelle: Switzerland! Exactly. The little waves here and there But the ability there become back to Switzerland. 

James: Yeah. Yeah. A friend described it to me like, think of a scale like 10 to 0…0, like 10 or something. Just like hang around 0 just like, if she gets too far away, you want to avoid that just come back to 0. 

Michelle: Yeah. 

James: I saw somewhere maybe on Instagram or your website you do like remote Kinesiology? 

Michelle: Mmm-hmmm.

James: How does that work? Even though Kinesiology is all about like Kinetic, touching. 

Michelle: Is it though? 

James: Alright, alright.

Michelle: It’s all about energy really, and everything is energy. At the end of the day we go and if we go on all the way and it’s…everything is energy. Every table, thought, process, all the things. It’s all energy. So we can tap into that oneness of energy. that energetic circuitry where I am to where you are through a proxy. So proxy, if we can activate that system or that circuitry with the client’s permission. So I’ve got so many clients like all over the world and I will just use a proxy that would be a model on behalf of their bodies, form – their body, their physical body. And we use it here just to access the information that we do through this model. 

James: Yeah, wow. 

Michelle: I might actually do a live on that and show how that goes down.

James: I feel like what I’ve heard is that it’s a voodoo doll. 

Michelle: Is that what you picked up out of that? It’s how far you wanna go. But, it’s super freakin’ like.. I was in my bed, chillin’ and my phone, I phoned my Kinesiologists. She’s doing her magic on me. And it’s real. Like there was a time when I was just getting really heavy on my own bed as you’re moving through stuff and and talking it through. And it’s because energy is efficient. There’s no time delay. There’s no such thing as time when you’re working with energies. It is just the right there, and then if you tapped right into it. So it’s real and it’s, it’s like super, incredibly powerful, and something might actually prefer. Because they’re like, you know, to go to a place, you know, a clinic potentially. Sometimes I don’t always feel as comfortable in the space, maybe, whereas when they’re in their own home they are comfy. They know the parameters, they know. They are more open to be able to dive in. 

James: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I’m a massive believer in like we may not necessarily be able to prove or quantify everything, but I think that we know everything about life is just ignorant.

Michelle: No. 

James: There’s so much going on that we can’t necessarily explain. But, I’m a big believer in energy for sure. I’ve been a big fan of quantum physics. The things that even they can’t explain. 

Michelle: There’s always like that next level.

James: Yeah, of course. Yeah like entirely. It’s fascinating there’s so many different things. It’s kind of blow my mind, but when you have “Are you going in there” kind of thinking. It’s a bit weird. But then you have that experience like “Whoa, something something.”

Michelle: Yeah. Exactly. And the mind is suppose to categorise them. The mind just wants to categorise, so it feels safe. It’s like “Alright. Cool. I need to put that in a box.” But when we’re so working out in the space of, you know, open consciousness where there is no parameter with that. It takes a hot minute to be so comfortable in that initially and then there’s just at night knowing of what we have so much more than the constraints that we put on ourselves if we just allow to release that resistance and everything that we thought used to be true and is always have an inkling that something else is available that could be something more. It just allows just for more effortless session. Yes, and just I feel like just more effortless way of living. 

James: Yeah, I agree, absolutely agree. How did you end up in Kinesiology, like why Kinesiology?

Michelle: My gosh. I don’t even know of Kinesiology like not even 10 years ago at all. I’m a yoga teacher and started off teaching yoga. In my mid 20s or just bit after…and… I’ve been doing yoga for, you know, six years or so. And so becoming a teacher, it didn’t seem like it was going to be too much of a step. I was like “Oh, I love yoga. It makes sense to me.” But then when I started actually went like when I became a teacher and started to teach where I was helping out flow spaces where I work, I got riddled with incredible anxiety. Like anxiety of being up in front of these people that I practised again, I’m with for all those years. And just ’cause it was busy classes and just being seen I’m like, “Oh my God!” Just like it just really really started to awaken such crippling anxiety. I’m like “What is happening to my body?” Is it like responding to this stress response. And then words won’t come out of my mouth. “What is going on?” I just remember, I cried after one class and I’m like, “Oh. This is… Why is this so hard? Why is it like…Why anywhere else I can do this but here?” I’m just like responding in this particular way. And then I found out, I was starting to hear it everywhere. Turns out there was a kinesiology college right around the corner from the yoga studio that I was teaching at and I’m like “I feel like I’m just gonna inquire. I’m hearing about it.” And then they had an open day so I went there and it just was – it blew me away. There were demonstrations and I’m like this just for whatever reason makes sense to me like. If my body is responding in a stress response instead of the outsourcing, why that could be? Why don’t we just ask the body directly? It makes complete sense to me. And so yeah, it’s just I started studying that and it just made more sense and I’m just like my gosh, I feel fortunate that I had this with my kids because when they are responding or their body is responding, that have the wisdom to work out what it is. We can ask the body and they have that tangible tool and to have to know that they got it all within them. So yeah, I haven’t stopped seeking more info about it since, so it’s been a journey but nothing that I actively went out and sought for. Sought after.

James: Yeah. So what keeps you going? What is, how would you describe the difference you wanna make in the lives of your clients?

Michelle: I feel a pool to help… Well, I mean, people that are riddled with self-doubt and that you know, anxiety or anxious feelings absolutely. And the feeling of overwhelmed. Feeling that they need to do everything all the time. That’s like so many, if not all of us will likely need to be the mom, the dad, the parent, the wife, the partner, the workout. All the things we need to pay all these little hats over trying to keep all these balls like up in the air and there’s so much pressure to do more and do more and do more and I truly believe that we have the right to want everything that we truly desire. But it’s gotta come from a place it should come from a place that’s, you know, of alignment and out of love and not feeling like if I told you that, I’m less than, I’m lack, there’s a lack thereof. So I’ve got a real pool for helping people with that. But I wanted to pick…I want it to be as mainstream as possible. So, yeah, it just, it would be my honour to be able to help them, but just have this for them and know that they can still have everything they want there just so deserving of it. But they don’t need to come from a place of pushing and such a stress out maxed out state. 

James: Yeah, of course. I guess the way you helped more people makes you feel more mainstream by helping more people have that experience. 

Michelle: Yeah, yeah. 

James: Like, “Whoah!”

Michelle: Yep, that’s exactly just trying to get out there. Because it’s such a like it is a mind-blowing thing. And like everyone of them they come out and they’re like, “I don’t know what that just was or what you just did, like what had happened?” But I’m like “how do you even put that in words?” Like ’cause there is no linear path is not like you know this from from five years old to whatever this happens just like that was a bit that and that added to that because you’re in a compensated like this happened, this happened. So it’s like this spider web of all these little things that are just energy activated, more, more and more and compounding, compound and compound. So there’s no linear way really, it’s just it’s the body knows the most quickest way to officially release what it needs to release so it can come back to its most post state of homeostasis. 

James: Brains are just such a mess. Apparently, like neurons and those connections. The smells connected to a place. Like we have no idea like.

Michelle: Finally. Totally. And the more that it was charged the time that happened, so I say for instance, stress. The more that that’s more wired in so it’s alright cool that’s a solid wiring that, make sure that that’s what I go down so it’s a lot of unlearning and a lot of unplugging and deactivating those neurological pathways and recreating you ones that are more in alignment and more that’s like you know in from a state of ease and not from the state of stress. 

James: That sounds great. I love it. 

Michelle: Yes. 

James: Alright, so before I get to my final question. Do you want to give yourself a bit of a plug, on how people can work with you, find you, that sort of stuff?

Michelle: I would love to. Thank you. So, I’m based in Hammond Park in the South of the river. Based in Mount Lawley. Hammond Park, based out here on Tuesday, Wednesday Saturday’s. Mount Lawley’s, they can hit me up there on Monday and Thursdays. And just booked through. Love to chat, to explain it more how it could help you DM me through Instagram. My website is shellmarie.com. And yeah, I would love to get you, if you got kids. I love working with kids actually yeah that’s one of my other main. Yeah. Whoever, however. Oh, you didn’t have to come in. I can zoom. You can Zoom it. 

James: What does living a happy, healthy life mean to you?

Michelle: Happy, healthy life to me is just as authentic and vibrant as you can be. Like, happy, healthy will change from day to day. Happy, healthy it might look like you know gonna have a great wild night out with your girlfriends to just you know coming during the day or during the week, having rest and or working and eating really well. So I think just whatever is to you, the most healthy, happiest way to live.

James: And like from the authentic state rather than, you know, stressed out and hope to get through. Beautiful. Thank you very much for time. We’re gonna wrap up. But appreciate you, taking the time to have a chat with me this evening. 

Michelle: Pleasure, thanks for inviting me on. It was great chatting. 

James: Yeah. 

Michelle: I love what you do. It’s amazing. 

James: Thank you. Well I’m gonna send you a message after this. I’m gonna send you a tray of microgreens. 

Michelle: Awww! Thanks! 

James: That you can enjoy. 

Michelle: Teach you some kinisi. Kinisi is what I call it for short. 

James: Yup. There’s always issues to work on. 

Michelle: We all have it for sure. 

James: Excellent. I’ll probably take you up for that I’ll speak to you soon.

Michelle: Alright! Awesome. Thank you! See you.

James: See you. Take care. Bye.